Date: 2006-12-04 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
The piece was written by an American poster on alt.usage.english, where the differences between merry/marry/Mary, cot/caught, and other vowel sounds are often discussed. I provide both versions because I used to use both equally; the first is nearer how I sound in polite company. :)

If I had been talking to the mums at the school gates beforehand, the second version and PGTW would be even broader...

Date: 2006-12-04 08:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hobbitblue.livejournal.com
Ah right... did the discussion show up much difference on the merry/marry/Mary thing in UK regional accents I wonder, they're usually quite distinct I'd think, with other words being the catch. Had fun reading the thing out to Forest with a broad Wigan accent - I lived there till I was 18 though never picked up the accent except to mimic it, he winced a lot, its not too pleasant to listen to (except when spoken by old folks maybe).

Hee, wonderful. Remind me not to be "polite company" if we ever end up meeting :) Which is more normal for you then, somewhere in between?

Date: 2006-12-04 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bopeepsheep.livejournal.com
Yeah, a little less posh than the first, with some of the vowel sounds of the second creeping in from time to time depending on how tired/drunk I am. ;-) The words to keep an ear out for include 'mum', 'my', and 'about', which give away the Oxfordshire 'er', 'oi', and 'i' (that last features in the Oxford voice too, which is why people like Prince Charles say 'hice' instead of 'house'). I'm gently trying to persuade [livejournal.com profile] imc to record a (southernized) Bolton version now. :)

Yes, marry/merry/Mary is splitting the recordings nicely, as well as some 'father/bother' stuff in the American voices. (I didn't pull 'faaaartherrrr' out in this one, although there's a hint of it the second time I say it in the Oxfordshire one.)

Date: 2006-12-04 09:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hobbitblue.livejournal.com
:-) Funny how its just a few sounds that are dead giveaways (Forest grew up in London and then moved to Dorset and has a few odd vowels in from the latter, and can't pronounce three as anyhting other than free thanks to the former. Not that I tease him about it, oh no... ::innocent look:).

Can't imagine hearing father/bother as the same word, somehow!

My accent is general educated Northern but Americans used to have *such* trouble with it, myself and a friend with a strong Preston accent used to have to slow down and flatten our speech and repeat things a lot for the American students at university in our first year, so if [livejournal.com profile] imc has quite a distinctive accent I bet he'll cause no end of head-scratching. Mind you, never mind the US folk, I can't order stuff from local Chinese or Indian takeaways over the phone because they're so attuned to Liverpool tones they just can't work out what I'm saying ::sigh::

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